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Old 01-15-2014, 02:03 PM   #1
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Just read about this proposed class. I am interested . . . anyone else? Speak up now!
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Yes! Add my name to the the new SOLO class CAM. Please. Thank you Cory. Terry Bland. Silver Tuna.
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here is the info....http://solomatters.com/introducing-c...can-muscle-cam
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Thanks Pat . . . I knew I was forgetting something!
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I like the idea of it. I am just curious why they call it "Classic" if there isn't a year restriction. It surprised me that you could run a 2013 Dodge Challenger in the class.
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I like the idea of it. I am just curious why they call it "Classic" if there isn't a year restriction. It surprised me that you could run a 2013 Dodge Challenger in the class.
This. I think cars like the current generation of Mustang/Camaro/Challenger should be excluded as they are already competitive in their respective classes, as are C5/C6 Corvettes.
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Thanks Pat . . . I knew I was forgetting something!
Must have been your advanced chronological state.
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This. I think cars like the current generation of Mustang/Camaro/Challenger should be excluded as they are already competitive in their respective classes, as are C5/C6 Corvettes.
I agree with kevin no cars 1990 and up, and there should be two classes based on tire aspect ratio, 60 and up, and 50 down. Other then that drive what you got. Let the cones beware.
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These cars are already eligible for our "vintage" class, right?

Or would we propose to eliminate vintage in favor of CAM?

PAX or no PAX?

If you think about it, Tuner is just basically the same as SU, and in many ways, so is CAM.

I am just concerned that after class consolidation, we just keep adding more.
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These cars are already eligible for our "vintage" class, right?

Or would we propose to eliminate vintage in favor of CAM?

PAX or no PAX?

If you think about it, Tuner is just basically the same as SU, and in many ways, so is CAM.

I am just concerned that after class consolidation, we just keep adding more.
Dean this will most likely be a national class, not just a regional supplemental class. There will be a restriction on ""Ruby Red Driving Slippers" in the CAM class!
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Must have been your advanced chronological state.
No doubt Pat!
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I'm in! Mine is 1994 so I like the no year restriction. I think I could dust a new Challenger. The gauntlet has been laid.
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These cars are already eligible for our "vintage" class, right?

Or would we propose to eliminate vintage in favor of CAM?

PAX or no PAX?

If you think about it, Tuner is just basically the same as SU, and in many ways, so is CAM.

I am just concerned that after class consolidation, we just keep adding more.

Not the same as Vintage, Dean. My old Stingray was "asked to leave Vintage" because it had a stock 1985 EFI induction system. I agree that the class should not include the newer Camaro or Corvette. The cut off should be when the Pontiac Firebird ceased production (2002).
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Not the same as Vintage, Dean. My old Stingray was "asked to leave Vintage" because it had a stock 1985 EFI induction system. I agree that the class should not include the newer Camaro or Corvette. The cut off should be when the Pontiac Firebird ceased production (2002).
If we go by the name, (Classic American Muscle) I say late 50's to mid to late 70's, before smog and the elimination of the big blocks. if you stop at a production run, then the Cuda, Biscayne, galaxy an others of that day that went away. I would say that was the end of the muscle car days, and at that time when you got the car and did every thing you could to improve it, if you felt that it ran better gutted out, jacked up or slammed down or pro streeted. so be it as long as it is street ready, just one question why does it have to be licensed and insured. not every one drives on the street and if it is a work in progress, it is a expense I will do without as long as its is safe I will put it on a trailer.

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If we go by the name, (Classic American Muscle) I say late 50's to mid to late 70's, before smog and the elimination of the big blocks. if you stop at a production run, then the Cuda, Biscayne, galaxy an others of that day that went away. I would say that was the end of the muscle car days, and at that time when you got the car and did every thing you could to improve it, if you felt that it ran better gutted out, jacked up or slammed down or pro streeted. so be it as long as it is street ready, just one question why does it have to be licensed and insured. not every one drives on the street and if it is a work in progress, it is a expense I will do without as long as its is safe I will put it on a trailer.

Chris,
The first year for the smog pump was (I believe) 1967 and the last year for a big block "Pony car" was 79. I still think the American made, front engine/rear drive, relatively heavy (none under 3000lbs) should have a class to race each other in competitively. Terry Bland (El Camino), John Kelly (Firebird), Chris Miller (Firebird) and others (I am not interested myself) should compete against each other, not against physically smaller/half as heavy vehicles. I think that 4th gen Corvettes should also be allowed. It's a big deal that the SCCA is proposing a National class.
Thanks for your input!
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The first year for the smog pump was (I believe) 1967 and the last year for a big block "Pony car" was 79. I still think the American made, front engine/rear drive, relatively heavy (none under 3000lbs) should have a class to race each other in competitively. Terry Bland (El Camino), John Kelly (Firebird), Chris Miller (Firebird) and others (I am not interested myself) should compete against each other, not against physically smaller/half as heavy vehicles. I think that 4th gen Corvettes should also be allowed. It's a big deal that the SCCA is proposing a National class.
Thanks for your input!
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Jim I agree with the over 3000lbs, but when the big 3 started putting new style front ends (Macpherson struts and things like that in the cars, they went away from HP and charged over to styling and handling, to keep sales up. when I say smog. I mean low compression and low HP. Lets face it Corvettes are a breed of there own, and even the meanest factory C3 can't keep up with a C4 in autocross when they run the same tires just my 2 cents. yes the driver will make the difference. So I think you have to look at the types of suspension from say the late 70's to early 80's as the brake point between power (muscle) and handling, old school v new

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3000lbs +, solid rear axle, unequal length A-arms. Just my 2cents Terry.
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3000lbs +, solid rear axle, unequal length A-arms. Just my 2cents Terry.
Terry, you have just made up my mind for me. I will get my 69 El camino up and running, small block and looks like $hi!. I will run novice and let the rules for CAM be finalized, btw may favorite is the L1011
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The proposed national CAM class for 2015 is basically unlimited when it comes to power and suspension. If your concerns are about the poor handling and power output of '80s and '90s domestics, realize that this class is intended for cars whose owners have taken steps to correct them. Because of this, as I mentioned above, I think a sunset date for cars (1999 seems like a good year to me, with an addendum to exclude C5 Corvettes) is the only additional restriction the class needs to meet its purpose.

If this was not a nationally-supported class looking for regional testing, I wouldn't support for the same reasons Dean mentioned- we have too many "me too" classes already. However, Tuner, Street Unlimited and Vintage will never be national classes, so that's a different bag.
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Is this a class where I can bring my modified Pantera and kick ass?
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National is encouraging Regions to adopt the class, and - here's the stickler - the proposed rule set as is. They want to build a base of cars for National Trophy competition next year and therefore a National rule set that will encourage participants from all over. Long story short, if we decide to do it we should stick to the rules as they are, just in case anyone who runs in CAM in our Region will be able to go back to Lincoln if they want.

We are somewhat different in that we have other classes available for these cars now, many regions do not, so even though we might gain some cars from outside, we might also depopulate a couple of our current Region only classes. But, the car count at events would be the same, I suppose, just different letters on the sides of some cars.

For us there's still the PAX question, too.
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That would be pretty cool! A front engine/rear drive Pantera?
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The proposed national CAM class for 2015 is basically unlimited when it comes to power and suspension. If your concerns are about the poor handling and power output of '80s and '90s domestics, realize that this class is intended for cars whose owners have taken steps to correct them. Because of this, as I mentioned above, I think a sunset date for cars (1999 seems like a good year to me, with an addendum to exclude C5 Corvettes) is the only additional restriction the class needs to meet its purpose.

If this was not a nationally-supported class looking for regional testing, I wouldn't support for the same reasons Dean mentioned- we have too many "me too" classes already. However, Tuner, Street Unlimited and Vintage will never be national classes, so that's a different bag.
I agree Kevin. I think 2002 cut off (end of Firebird production) and disallowing C5 Corvettes is great. The National class designation is a big deal. It could potentially bring a good number of new SCCA members nationwide.
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National is encouraging Regions to adopt the class, and - here's the stickler - the proposed rule set as is. They want to build a base of cars for National Trophy competition next year and therefore a National rule set that will encourage participants from all over. Long story short, if we decide to do it we should stick to the rules as they are, just in case anyone who runs in CAM in our Region will be able to go back to Lincoln if they want.

We are somewhat different in that we have other classes available for these cars now, many regions do not, so even though we might gain some cars from outside, we might also depopulate a couple of our current Region only classes. But, the car count at events would be the same, I suppose, just different letters on the sides of some cars.

For us there's still the PAX question, too.
I "think" it can't hurt us, as a region. It will, like Don says, depopulate a couple of classes. It will also make for good competition between like vehicles, that otherwise had no hope of beating cars half their size.
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From the article in SoloMatters:

The class will be a Regional only class in 2014. It will be in the Solo Rulebook and we are asking that all Regions around the country offer the class and encourage people to participate in this class.

I think it should be run without PAX, just like Vintage. I can't even imagine trying to come up with a pax factor for this group considering we have no idea what is going to show up.
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