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stevewaclo
03-25-2010, 12:03 AM
OK Gang, stay with me on this one. We don't have a B.S. category in the Forum, so General Chat will have to do :lol:.

As many probably know, NVDOT is taking a serious look at preventing accidents and delays resulting from high profile vehicles being blown over by high winds roaring down the Carson Range into Washoe Valley. If you have been down to Carson City via US 395, you've undoubedly noticed enormous warning signs at the north and south end of the valley to advise of dangerous wind conditions. Not too surprisingly, some big rigs, for a variety of reasons, have choose to ignore the warnings and end up on their sides. Mercifully, first responders have not found anything crushed under the trailers, but concluding it's only a matter of time until something truly unplesant happens, NVDOT has launched a study to investigate options, and is encouraging public input.

Because homeowners along Old US 395 on the west side, closer to the mountains are not too keen about big rigs on their road and Eastlake Blvd. is unsuitable for heavy trucks (without expensive modifications), one of many options being considered is construction of appropriately sized parking lots, large enough to act as staging areas for high profile vehicles until conditions improve. Don't laugh...the cost of road closures during clean-up as well as potential for the aforementioned tragedy are significant (see RGJ article, below), and NVDOT is open to considering all options.

Here's my plan. The link below will take you to a survey that NVDOT has devised to learn more about the public's thoughts on this issue. And here's the good part: one of the questions asks "how do you feel about the construction of parking lots to hold flagged vehicles till conditions improve?" I don't know how big those lots would need to be (bigger the better, I say and available space does not appear to be an issue) or how likely it would be for NVDOT to play nice and share their lots on weekends, or if sharing is even a possibility (hey, we could clear out really fast and it's not like Washoe Zephyr conditions sneak up on anyone), but faced with slip, slidin' all over Stead for the forseeable future, I propose we all head on over to:

http://www.nevadadot.com/wind/

and do our duty as concerned citizens :).

Also, there are some essay questions in the survey and we all know how much folks like to have their own words fed back to them so here's a recent RGJ article, with quotes from actual NVDOT engineers to ponder that should help with those pesky "comments" sections :D:

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2010100307026

And somebody needs to hack into NVDOT and get traffic numbers for US 395/Washoe Valley (preferably broken down by North/South), some numbers on footprint/rig, estimated total parked rigs, etc. Also, I'm thinking Porta-Potties and concession stands :lol:. We've gotta do a quick reality check on lot size...definately ain't gonna be Stead but they would need to design to "worst case".

Just trying to think outside the box :idea:. Let's talk.

Hmmm...maybe I should have held off on this till April 1st :lol:.

sperry
03-27-2010, 11:54 PM
That's so crazy it just might work!

Except I foresee the parking lots to be more like a rest-stop type area, and it'll be pretty unlikely that it'll be the correct shape for our use, plus it'll probably never be totally empty unless it's a manned check area that's locked up unless it's windy.

Jimmy Geck
03-29-2010, 08:25 PM
Crazy Indeed. As a manager for a trucking company it will never happen. They tried last year to close it off to trucks entirely when conditions were bad and lets just say after less than a week with pressure from the ATA they abandoned that idea. Stopping truck traffic for even a short time in that area would be cause more issues than it would fix.

Cody
03-30-2010, 10:06 AM
Crazy Indeed. As a manager for a trucking company it will never happen. They tried last year to close it off to trucks entirely when conditions were bad and lets just say after less than a week with pressure from the ATA they abandoned that idea. Stopping truck traffic for even a short time in that area would be cause more issues than it would fix.

Financial issues and issues of not getting your shipment on time should never outweigh significant safety issues, IMHO.

Safety aside, I'd rather 95% of the traffic not have to deal with road closures due to blown over trucks so that 5% aren't inconvenienced.

Disclaimer: I'm only responding to what you wrote, and have no significant background knowledge on the subject. An efficient commercial flow is very important, don't get me wrong. I never get mad at slow moving trucks as long as they're in the slow lane and driving safely.

dsmith
03-30-2010, 10:12 AM
Even if constructed, I doubt it would be either big enough for us, or ever completely empty enough - there would always be something parked there. But, it would be a possibility.

The only silver lining to the recession for Reno Region might be all the places that are going Tango Uniform, meaning there will be a bunch of large unused parking lots in the area. Unfortunately, the modern parking lot does not lend itself to unhampered Solo, what with all the islands, trees, and curbs they put in them. But, necessity is the mother of invention, and we could probably make anything work. I watched a solo up on the Oregon coast that ran in the parking lot of a small closed hardware store, about the size of a stand alone Kragen Auto parts store. They ran completely around the building, over speed bumps drain gutters and around light poles, and had to do three laps to get a 60 second run, but they sure looked like they were having fun.

dsmith
03-30-2010, 11:30 AM
Well, here's an interesting possibility: It appears the Reno/Sparks Convention Center parking lots will be empty a lot this summer, the place has hardly any bookings.

Kevin M
03-30-2010, 12:10 PM
Yeah, might be due to their exorbitant fees. Wes talked to them this winter, they want like $5k for the parking lot.

dsmith
03-30-2010, 12:30 PM
Yeah, might be due to their exorbitant fees. Wes talked to them this winter, they want like $5k for the parking lot.

5K!!?? They are out of their minds. Guess they're trying to make up what they lost on that fabulous piece of broken artwork that's sitting in the back.

sperry
03-30-2010, 11:44 PM
Yeah, might be due to their exorbitant fees. Wes talked to them this winter, they want like $5k for the parking lot.
Same thing happened at Cal Expo a while back... I guess they could make more money charging for parking to fill the lot 20% full than the Sac SCCA folks were willing to pay.

S2kreno
04-01-2010, 10:12 AM
Maybe we should lease some BLM land. It goes for $1.50 an acre per year. http://www.landsofamerica.com/resources/articles.cfm/News/Wyoming/BLM-oil-and-gas-lease-sale-nets-over-$2-million/

solonut
04-01-2010, 11:36 AM
Maybe we should lease some BLM land. It goes for $1.50 an acre per year. http://www.landsofamerica.com/resources/articles.cfm/News/Wyoming/BLM-oil-and-gas-lease-sale-nets-over-$2-million/

All you will need then are the few Million to pave 14+ acres....or more for concrete...

dsmith
04-01-2010, 01:43 PM
Maybe we should lease some BLM land. It goes for $1.50 an acre per year. http://www.landsofamerica.com/resources/articles.cfm/News/Wyoming/BLM-oil-and-gas-lease-sale-nets-over-$2-million/
$1.50/year?? I'll take two acres, please. With a view.

Kevin M
04-01-2010, 09:42 PM
You can only lease BLM land for the purpose of mining or gas/oil drilling. You guys don't want to know the level of environmental studies and permit processes that go with getting one.

S2kreno
04-01-2010, 11:17 PM
Grazing! $1.50 per cow. We just have to paint bovine designs on our cars. And get those horns that moo.

AlexR
04-02-2010, 02:14 PM
I already call my rally car Betsy .. and have bovine pictures on it !

I'm In !

stevewaclo
06-30-2010, 09:48 AM
Here's a link to the final survey results:

http://www.nevadadot.com/wind/pdfs/WashoeValleyWindSurveyResults.pdf

sperry
06-30-2010, 12:09 PM
Here's a link to the final survey results:

http://www.nevadadot.com/wind/pdfs/WashoeValleyWindSurveyResults.pdf
:lol:

Anyone notice the one guy that drives a camel through the valley?

Cody
06-30-2010, 05:15 PM
You don't want to get anywhere near a camel that just blew over.

MattR
06-30-2010, 08:49 PM
:lol:

Anyone notice the one guy that drives a camel through the valley?


Classic...that is fantastic.

As a former truck driver who used to drive that road daily, there are some interesting comments in the study...I think a few truckers made it into the survey.

Kevin M
06-30-2010, 09:18 PM
Over 100 according to the survey. :lol: