The official North/South Challenge Trash Talking Thread

[sperry]

Assuming the event is still on for this season...

I hear those Vegas guys can't find the long skinny pedal on the right to save their own lives! ;)

[solonut]

its simple
1) we show up
2) we race
3) we win

end of discusion















and have a great time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[Kevin M]

Race tires? We don't need no steenking race tires!

[Joeyy]

I don't think I'll be making the trip.:(

[sperry]

Well, since no Vegas folks are here playing along, how 'bout I turn the conversation a bit to the serious side:

What do people think about a change to the scoring rules for the N/S Challenge? I'm not talking about doing anything this year, or even next necessarily. And I'd want the decision made unanimously by both regions. But I thought it might be cool to make the competition a little different in the future.

Something like: each region nominates their top 10 or 15 drivers, or top 5 drivers from Stock classes, top 5 drivers from SP, top 5 from Modified, etc. And these drivers go head-to-head with their counterparts, and whichever region scores the most heads up wins, wins the event.

Or, something like for every class that both regions have an entrant in, we add up the total times of the fastest driver for each region in each contested class and whichever region has the lowest combined time wins.

Just looking for a way to take PAX, Street Tires (somehow?), and lopsided regional participation out of the mix for the scoring. Anyone that doesn't factor into the results for whatever reason is still there to support their region, drive for fun, and drive for regional points, but is not factored into the N/S Challenge results.

Not sure what people will really think about this sort of idea, but I thought I'd throw it out there just as a "what if".

[MikeK]

Vegas region unanimously voted that the side with the tiniest, yellowest shorts should win.

[solonut]

Vegas region unanimously voted that the side with the tiniest, yellowest shorts should win.

so are you telling Matt he has to wear them:eek:

[MattR]

Nobody wants to see that.

[AlexR]

Novel Idea Scott.

I don't like it. but only becuase that would mean i'll show up and have 0% chance of affecting the outcome. aside from me being selfish, Its actually a really really cool idea. :D

[Mark Sipe]

Vegas region unanimously voted that the side with the tiniest, yellowest shorts should win.


Please don't tempt Allon .... :eek:

[dsmith]

Well, since no Vegas folks are here playing along, how 'bout I turn the conversation a bit to the serious side:

What do people think about a change to the scoring rules for the N/S Challenge? I'm not talking about doing anything this year, or even next necessarily. And I'd want the decision made unanimously by both regions. But I thought it might be cool to make the competition a little different in the future.

Something like: each region nominates their top 10 or 15 drivers, or top 5 drivers from Stock classes, top 5 drivers from SP, top 5 from Modified, etc. And these drivers go head-to-head with their counterparts, and whichever region scores the most heads up wins, wins the event.

Or, something like for every class that both regions have an entrant in, we add up the total times of the fastest driver for each region in each contested class and whichever region has the lowest combined time wins.

Just looking for a way to take PAX, Street Tires (somehow?), and lopsided regional participation out of the mix for the scoring. Anyone that doesn't factor into the results for whatever reason is still there to support their region, drive for fun, and drive for regional points, but is not factored into the N/S Challenge results.

Not sure what people will really think about this sort of idea, but I thought I'd throw it out there just as a "what if".

Maybe we could score it like a high school track meet: Points are awarded from first to third in each event (class); the school (Region) with the most points wins. Of course if we don't have anyone in the 100M dash (AMod) and they do, we're not going to get any points, but if we have a bunch of people in the 400M (ASP) and take all the top positions, then we're good. We could get people to move to different cars or classes depending on what we need to get points, like running ASP instead of SS.

[solonut]

Maybe we could score it like a high school track meet: Points are awarded from first to third in each event (class); the school (Region) with the most points wins. Of course if we don't have anyone in the 100M dash (AMod) and they do, we're not going to get any points, but if we have a bunch of people in the 400M (ASP) and take all the top positions, then we're good. We could get people to move to different cars or classes depending on what we need to get points, like running ASP instead of SS.

Don loading oddball classes is what vegas does....the results are figured by PAX....I'll le the results gurus explain that "black magic"...I just go to win......and have fun

[Rasmus Hansen]

I hear that most of the reno solo club are a bunch of momma's boy's.

"Maaaoooommm, I need a street tire PAX Handicap cause 'cause 'cause Maaaammmmm, real sticky tires are expensive."

"Maaaaooommmm, I need a high altitude PAXing system 'cause 'cause 'cause, our car's suck at sucking."

What's next? An "I Can't Left Foot Brake" or "Three Pedals Confuse Me" handicap?

[solonut]

I hear that most of the reno solo club are a bunch of momma's boy's.

"Maaaoooommm, I need a street tire PAX Handicap cause 'cause 'cause Maaaammmmm, real sticky tires are expensive."

"Maaaaooommmm, I need a high altitude PAXing system 'cause 'cause 'cause, our car's suck at sucking."

What's next? An "I Can't Left Foot Brake" or "Three Pedals Confuse Me" handicap?


And who has the trophy????????????????? :p:p:p

[MikeK]

"Maaaoooommm, I need a street tire PAX Handicap cause 'cause 'cause Maaaammmmm, real sticky tires are expensive."

That's not smack talk, that's true! :(

[sperry]

I hear that most of the reno solo club are a bunch of momma's boy's.

"Maaaoooommm, I need a street tire PAX Handicap cause 'cause 'cause Maaaammmmm, real sticky tires are expensive."

"Maaaaooommmm, I need a high altitude PAXing system 'cause 'cause 'cause, our car's suck at sucking."

What's next? An "I Can't Left Foot Brake" or "Three Pedals Confuse Me" handicap?

I'm all for a three pedal handicap. In Reno we actually go fast enough to require shifting and braking. :p

[Dean]

As I recall, we have rerun every year's results without the street tire handicap and Reno still ends up winning.

So, what I am hearing is...

"Maaaoooommm, They keep winning even on crappy tires. Maaaammmmm..."
"It's Ok son, just keep telling yourselves you go to party, not to win."

[AlexR]

Sup Rasmus?

Long time no smack talk! :lol: So will Vegas be fielding a lot of drivers this year? you guys gonna take the win?

[nmhansen]

I hear that most of the reno solo club are a bunch of momma's boy's.

"Maaaoooommm, I need a street tire PAX Handicap cause 'cause 'cause Maaaammmmm, real sticky tires are expensive."

"Maaaaooommmm, I need a high altitude PAXing system 'cause 'cause 'cause, our car's suck at sucking."

What's next? An "I Can't Left Foot Brake" or "Three Pedals Confuse Me" handicap?


Hey buddy, why don't you come out of an ST* class and say that to my face!

[Rasmus Hansen]

Sup Rasmus?

Long time no smack talk! :lol: So will Vegas be fielding a lot of drivers this year? you guys gonna take the win?
Sup Alex. We'll have to see if we can get the chief of workers to post us together again this year.

We'll be fielding a little less than in years past. Economy, Gas prices, blah blah. So it's looking like the only the hard-core Solo-ists will make it this year.

[AlexR]

Hell yeah :) hopefully AS and ... you still in DS ? run at the same time. :D

very understandable bout not as many wanting to drive, what is it 200 ish miles round trip for you guys ? :(

So you are going the night before for extra partying or what's the plan?

[sperry]

Crap... turns out the TEAM track day at RFR is the same weekend as Hawthorne... :( Not sure which one I want to go to... that TEAM event is usually an awesome event.

[MikeK]

Crap... turns out the TEAM track day at RFR is the same weekend as Hawthorne... :( Not sure which one I want to go to... that TEAM event is usually an awesome event.

I know which one I want to go to :(

[sperry]

I know which one I want to go to :(
Well, I was really planning on going to Hawthorne this year... even Lisa said she'd come!

But, for about the same cost, I could get 4 hours of track time with a pretty fun group of drivers. I wish Bonnie would scheduling the TEAM event in concert with the Reno SCCA schedule. She complains she loses money at RFR, but that's 'cause half the people that would go are at a Reno points event instead!

[MikeK]

But, for about the same cost, I could get 4 hours of track time with a pretty fun group of drivers.

RFR is for chumps, at Hawthorne you get 3 minutes of track time ... PER DAY! :eek:

[dknv]

RFR is for chumps, at Hawthorne you get 3 minutes of track time ... PER DAY! :eek:Did you take a detour to the hotel swimming pool? Last year I think I got almost 9 minutes of track time on Sat and 6 minutes on Sun, not including walking time. :p

Although, I think last year is when we saw the snake while we were working the course.:eek:

[solonut]

Although, I think last year is when we saw the snake while we were working the course.:eek:

That wasnt a snake........it was Allon

[MikeK]

Did you take a detour to the hotel swimming pool? Last year I think I got almost 9 minutes of track time on Sat and 6 minutes on Sun, not including walking time. :p

Although, I think last year is when we saw the snake while we were working the course.:eek:

I am going to DNF by going around the course a few times each run, just to get my money's worth!

[sperry]

I am going to DNF by going around the course a few times each run, just to get my money's worth!
Just bribe a courseworker to red flag you right before the finish lights every other run and double your seat time!

[Rasmus Hansen]

Hell yeah :) hopefully AS and ... you still in DS ? run at the same time. :D

very understandable bout not as many wanting to drive, what is it 200 ish miles round trip for you guys ? :(

So you are going the night before for extra partying or what's the plan?

I loved my some DS. But, nope, I've now have the STX Subaru Ichiban AutoXttack Double Good Wagon. Same wagon you saw last year, I just changed the wiper fluid and added a new vanilla scented tree to the rearview. Do you know how awesome wagon's are for Solo. All that hauling space for tires and stuff and I can still leave the baby seat in. Do you guys have a "Left Baby Seat In" Special PAX?

200 miles? What you smoking? It's about 650 miles round trip for us. So for me and the wagon that's $99 in gas just to get there and back.

[dknv]

Just looking for a way to take PAX, Street Tires (somehow?), and lopsided regional participation out of the mix for the scoring. ... Not sure what people will really think about this sort of idea, but I thought I'd throw it out there just as a "what if".The winners from day 1 get moved to the back of the race on day 2.

Oh wait, that's Setup. :rolleyes:

[Allon]

No trash talks here! Just looking forward for another great weekend of safe competition, comradary and fun. I hope for a "Pool party weather".
Let’s party on!!!! And let the alcohol flow!!! Yes it would be nice to take the furging trophy home with us but for me the trophy comes in last in order of importance.

See ya soon,

Allon

[MattR]

Hey Allon, we're still looking for some trophies from last year! :lol:

[nmhansen]

Hey Allon, we're still looking for some trophies from last year! :lol:


Eh, I don't need my second place from last year. I just need a first place from this year. :p

[Jamin]

So just how far back does this thing go?

I don't think I can smack talk as a "newbie" to the LVR, but I was wondering what would replace the annual Eastern ID vs. Utah "Octoberfast" competition in my life.

Does Reno have anyone in DS? Rasmus isn't DS anymore, but I'll try my humble best to carry the torch... :D

[Kevin M]

We didn't have anyone last year or the first event this year, but you never know. I keep expecting to see a newer WRX running the class.

[MattR]

I believe the N/S Challenge dates back to 1958

[S2kreno]

Vegas region unanimously voted that the side with the tiniest, yellowest shorts should win.

I think we should just steal any little yellow shorts we can find and run them up a flag pole. Peggy can sing to them........

[Rasmus Hansen]

Well I've got the STX class locked up for the challange this year. Your STX folk should move to ESP.

Also, doesn't the thin air up there and the fumes from Sparks kill your brain cells off at 3% of total mass per year? Should we bring you guys bibs?

[Kevin M]

Well I've got the STX class locked up for the challange this year. Your STX folk should move to ESP.

Also, doesn't the thin air up there and the fumes from Sparks kill your brain cells off at 3% of total mass per year? Should we bring you guys bibs?

That's better than the 14% you lose to the "dry heat" every year.:cool:

[Jamin]

Beh - "dry heat" doesn't hurt anything.

Nevada Test Site fallout, on the other hand...

But we've seen your police force on TV. If those are the cops, I ain't worried about the racers. :p

[sperry]

Beh - "dry heat" doesn't hurt anything.

Nevada Test Site fallout, on the other hand...

But we've seen your police force on TV. If those are the cops, I ain't worried about the racers. :p
:lol:

I've found that the difference between Reno and Las Vegas can be accurately summed up by watching an episode of Reno 911 and Vegas back to back.

So, thank god I live in Reno... I mean, who would want all that money, rock music, semi-naked women, and interesting events to take away from time sitting on the porch shooting at empty beer cans?

[dsmith]

Anyone who really wants to kick rump roast at Hawthorne should run the Track Trial PDX or Club Trial events at a real race track - RFR; lots of practice getting around fast corners and using the binders and gearbox.

And the Vegans can practice . . . in Sam's Town parking lot????

[Jamin]

And the Vegans can practice . . . in Sam's Town parking lot????

Seriously. How great would it be if we could somehow get 3 or 4 major freeways here?! With lots of spagetti-bowl ramps and all kinds of tricky on and off ramps... Maybe throw in a couple of neat canyon roads nearby for good measure. *sigh* - I guess we can dream...

Better yet - Someone should build a $350 million multi-format autosports complex somewhere we can access it. Maybe a major tuner and some race shops would set up there or something. That would be SO COOL. A drag strip, a circle track, a dirt track, a road course - all in one place! Heck, this is Vegas - we could probably get a major NASCAR event and NHRA involved! And of course, there'd be big parking lots for SOLO II in addition to the other stuff! If running there was too expensive, i bet someone could do okay with a quality smaller course somewhere nearby, like Parhump or something. We should look into it!

And if we were REALLY luckym, there'd be an airforce base nearby that would let us use the tarmac from time to time.

Wow. Okay, I'd better wake up now, lol. That's just crazy talk, and dreaming doesn't get things done.

In the meantime, I guess I'll have to be jealous of Reno. After all, they have places you can drive fast and practice, and because of the great climate and low precipitation, they can even use them almost 6 months of the year! I hear slicks are awesome up there too, for like the full 1/3 of the year you can get heat in them! How would it be...

[S2kreno]

Seriously. How great would it be if we could somehow get 3 or 4 major freeways here?! With lots of spagetti-bowl ramps and all kinds of tricky on and off ramps... Maybe throw in a couple of neat canyon roads nearby for good measure. *sigh* - I guess we can dream...

Better yet - Someone should build a $350 million multi-format autosports complex somewhere we can access it. Maybe a major tuner and some race shops would set up there or something. That would be SO COOL. A drag strip, a circle track, a dirt track, a road course - all in one place! Heck, this is Vegas - we could probably get a major NASCAR event and NHRA involved! And of course, there'd be big parking lots for SOLO II in addition to the other stuff! If running there was too expensive, i bet someone could do okay with a quality smaller course somewhere nearby, like Parhump or something. We should look into it!

And if we were REALLY luckym, there'd be an airforce base nearby that would let us use the tarmac from time to time.

Wow. Okay, I'd better wake up now, lol. That's just crazy talk, and dreaming doesn't get things done.

In the meantime, I guess I'll have to be jealous of Reno. After all, they have places you can drive fast and practice, and because of the great climate and low precipitation, they can even use them almost 6 months of the year! I hear slicks are awesome up there too, for like the full 1/3 of the year you can get heat in them! How would it be...

Our tires get hot anyway because we drive faster.

[Jamin]

Our tires get hot anyway because we drive faster.

Not according to the HAP thread... :eek:

[daveds50]

so... anyone going to be there from Reno running STS ?

how about F125 ?

dont know what we are going to bring, but would like to have someone else in the class besides us vegas guys.

dave

[MikeK]

so... anyone going to be there from Reno running STS ?

how about F125 ?

dont know what we are going to bring, but would like to have someone else in the class besides us vegas guys.

dave

Most of our F125 guys are from california. I am not sure how many will be making the trip down to hawthorne.

[solonut]

so... anyone going to be there from Reno running STS ?

how about F125 ?

dont know what we are going to bring, but would like to have someone else in the class besides us vegas guys.

dave

David, maybe 4 f-125's and 1 FJA for sure....

[daveds50]

Most of our F125 guys are from california. I am not sure how many will be making the trip down to hawthorne.

yeah, i know of them.

is there going to be any online entry list ? would be great to know what class is going to be active, as that would help with the decision on what vehicle to bring.

do you guys think the lack of activity in your ST classes is due to you guys having a street tire pax in all classes ? is it going to be used in Hawthorne ?

just wondering, as ST is huge here, and seems to be everywhere else. it's quite the surprise to see the lack of ST in your region.

a possibility if the street tire pax is going to be used, is i can run TCSP in the STS car, if anyone there runs CSP. can also run R compounds, but the car is not really set up for it. ( besides being underprepped for SP )

can you tell that i hate running alone ?

dave

[Rasmus Hansen]

so... anyone going to be there from Reno running STS ?

how about F125 ?

dont know what we are going to bring, but would like to have someone else in the class besides us vegas guys.

dave
Dave, we should at least give them a fighting chance at winning. Bring the STS Civic.

[Jamin]

Yeah - if you run tires with a treadwear rating of 220 or higher, they'll give you an ST PAX on your ST PAX!

Or do they have to be M+S all season rated to qualify? Wait - maybe that's only if the car is normally aspirated AND is on street tires. Or has forced induction and on streets, vs NA and slicks? Or was it just a blanket penalty for FI and slicks?

Maybe you should run the Kart. :p

[Kevin M]

Yeah - if you run tires with a treadwear rating of 220 or higher, they'll give you an ST PAX on your ST PAX!

Or do they have to be M+S all season rated to qualify? Wait - maybe that's only if the car is normally aspirated AND is on street tires. Or has forced induction and on streets, vs NA and slicks? Or was it just a blanket penalty for FI and slicks?

Maybe you should run the Kart. :p

No, we hate karts more than all the other stuff combined. :p

[sperry]

Yeah - if you run tires with a treadwear rating of 220 or higher, they'll give you an ST PAX on your ST PAX!

Or do they have to be M+S all season rated to qualify? Wait - maybe that's only if the car is normally aspirated AND is on street tires. Or has forced induction and on streets, vs NA and slicks? Or was it just a blanket penalty for FI and slicks?

Maybe you should run the Kart. :p
You should see the modifier if you run tires made of asphalt! :eek:

[Jamin]

Does it change when you're running them at venues with a surface made of recycled tire rubber? ;)

[nmhansen]

Does it change when you're running them at venues with a surface made of recycled tire rubber? ;)

YouTube- Infinite Solutions: Quicktip #3

[sperry]

Does it change when you're running them at venues with a surface made of recycled tire rubber? ;)
Depends on if the road is R-compound or not.

[Jamin]

LOL!

[daveds50]

Yeah - if you run tires with a treadwear rating of 220 or higher, they'll give you an ST PAX on your ST PAX!


funny that you should mention that....

according the the Reno 08 sup regs that says:


3.1.1.
Street Tire Eligibility

Drivers competing on street tires (140 tread wear rating or higher) will compete in their appropriate class handicapped by the current street tire handicap multiplier. All classes except Prepared, Modified, and Kart classes are eligible for street tire competition.


no mention of Street Touring classes being excluded there, or anywhere else in the sup regs.

legal cheating ? :D

you Reno guys should probably patch that crack before the dam breaks...

or, can i use that loophole ? :confused: :D

dave ( < TSTS class :D:D:D )

[Kevin M]

I tried that one like 4 years ago at my first Reno event. No go. :(

[Jamin]

I'm going to borrow the MX-6 and leave the Ion at home, not only does the '6 get better mileage for the trip, but I could kick some butt in TSTX, lol.

I don't know which is more amusing - that it's not mentioned in the regs, or that you (or anyone) did in fact try to exploit it, lol! Don't get me wrong - I would have, too - it's not cheating if it's legal, thatt's always been my take. There's no such thing as a "loophole" in my book - either the rules cover it or they dont, and if they don't, it's not cheating until they do. :shrug: ;) That said, I play by the rules absolutely where they apply.

The SCCA et al did a great job covering loopholes with thier "if the rules don't specifically allow it, it's not allowed" way of handling things. My hat's off to them for figuring a logical loophole-avoidence technique that many lawmakers in this country - and the IRS - could really benifit from! :P

[S2kreno]

funny that you should mention that....
according the the Reno 08 sup regs that says:
3.1.1.
Street Tire Eligibility
Drivers competing on street tires (140 tread wear rating or higher) will compete in their appropriate class handicapped by the current street tire handicap multiplier. All classes except Prepared, Modified, and Kart classes are eligible for street tire competition.

Um, I seem to remember prepared classes competing on street tires the last couple of years. Is the 'except Prepared' part of this rule new? I'd like to know before I spend stupid money on street tires for my ASP-classed car.

[nmhansen]

Street Prepared isn't the same as Prepared. Street Prepared can still run on street tires.

[S2kreno]

cool. thanks :)

[jim.gandy]

If ya'll can take a short break from the trash-talking, the North-South entry form is now posted on Reno Region's website -- and soon on LVR's website, too, I hope.

[vic]

Um, I seem to remember prepared classes competing on street tires the last couple of years. Is the 'except Prepared' part of this rule new? I'd like to know before I spend stupid money on street tires for my ASP-classed car.

yes you can run st in ASP, your AO 48's are quite a bit stickier than any ST you will find but are nothing compared to hoosier's or kuhmo's 710's. If you want r- compound try the Hankook Z-214 in the C-71 compound if you have wheels to mount them on. They are very fast and quite a bit cheaper than the above.

[nmhansen]

Funny you should say that Vic. My new set of the Hankooks just came in today. Based solely on your recommendation.

[dsmith]

This is aimed at the Vegans who might be trolling this thread: I'm starting to wonder about attendance this year at the N/S Challenge. I know it's a much longer drive/tow for you guys (about 600 miles round trip??), and what with the price of gas in Tonopah and Hawthorne it might make a body stop and say "Hmmm." So what's the scuttlebut down there about how many are planning on attending? The usual 40-50, more, less????

[sperry]

To save on gas, next year each region should rent a bus to haul everyone to the event. Then we'll just race the busses.

Single bus challenge!

[Kevin M]

IB*****ingaboutpivotcones.

"But it's not fair! Vegas' bus is shorter!"

[daveds50]

This is aimed at the Vegans who might be trolling this thread: I'm starting to wonder about attendance this year at the N/S Challenge. I know it's a much longer drive/tow for you guys (about 600 miles round trip??), and what with the price of gas in Tonopah and Hawthorne it might make a body stop and say "Hmmm." So what's the scuttlebut down there about how many are planning on attending? The usual 40-50, more, less????

huh ? gas is expensive ? i diddnt notice. :D

seriously now, i dont know how many people are coming. i know of around 10 people for sure, however i dont know about the rest. since we get around 100 or so people at a local autocross, i would think it's more than 10. but who knows.

IB*****ingaboutpivotcones.

we dont like them either... contrary to what you guys believe, we like the same kind of courses you do. at least from what i remember a long time ago when we ran some Reno events.

we dont like Pivot cones at all, and we dont like skinny sea of cones either... however, it depends on who sets the course up... at recent years N/S you have only seen one persons idea of what a course should be... the rest of us were not allowed to do it.

in my opinion, pivot cones = lack of imagination.

i prefer courses that you would see at national events. but thats me.

but i will say... i will run any course, and have fun on it.

dave

[S2kreno]

To save on gas, next year each region should rent a bus to haul everyone to the event. Then we'll just race the busses.

Single bus challenge!

Um, guys, we already have a bus. But I don't think it will get around a pivot cone :eek:

[Cody]

Um, guys, we already have a bus.

My car doesn't count. :mad:

[Kevin M]

Dave, I was being tongue-in-cheek about Scott's Single Bus Challenge post, and it's the Renoites I believe would ***** more. (see the Course Design Thread!)

[vic]

Funny you should say that Vic. My new set of the Hankooks just came in today. Based solely on your recommendation.
They are cheaper right? They seem to get heat quick and be very sticky. Hope you like them! c71compound

[Kevin M]

Where are you guys getting the hankooks from?

[dsmith]

huh ? gas is expensive ? i diddnt notice. :D

seriously now, i dont know how many people are coming. i know of around 10 people for sure, however i dont know about the rest. since we get around 100 or so people at a local autocross, i would think it's more than 10. but who knows.


10 huh? I may scale back the t-shirt order from 100.

[nmhansen]

They are cheaper right? They seem to get heat quick and be very sticky. Hope you like them! c71compound

Yeah a little bit cheaper. Under a grand shipped. Found them as cheap as $900 shipped, but that place was out of stock. Ended up just ordering from Frisby Tire. I can't wait to try them out.

[AlexR]

So Rasmus are you going to be able hold onto being above me in Pax this year as you were able to last year??? I'm bringing extra chunks of cheese to stash around your trunk to help slow you down ;)

[Braydog]

I will be there....can someone give me a lowdown on everything? Where to stay, what the normal schedule is, all that stuff.

[Kevin M]

Best/easiest way is to stay at El Capitan with most of the rest of us. That's where registration will be set up on friday evening til about 7:30 or so. I've actually stayed at the Best Western in the past. More expensive, but also a bit nicer and no casino or crowds. This year I'm trying the Cap though.

[jim.gandy]

There's at least one way Las Vegas is faster than Reno -- the folks from Down South are real quick getting their entries in!

It's now one week until the late entry fee (+$10) kicks in, and at that point we also make no promises about shirt sizes, space at the banquet, etc.

As of May 9th, it's Las Vegas 12, Reno 3. If that ratio keeps up, we might as well engrave the N/S trophy now...

[nmhansen]

Argh! My form is printed out and ready to go... but has been sitting in my car for a week.

I'm going to try and mail mine today.

[sperry]

There's at least one way Las Vegas is faster than Reno -- the folks from Down South are real quick getting their entries in!

It's now one week until the late entry fee (+$10) kicks in, and at that point we also make no promises about shirt sizes, space at the banquet, etc.

As of May 9th, it's Las Vegas 12, Reno 3. If that ratio keeps up, we might as well engrave the N/S trophy now...
That's not very nice to imply that it only takes three Reno folks to beat vegas! :p

[Jamin]

Beh - it'd be perfectly in following with the rest of Reno's claims... :D

If i make it, there's no way I'll be registered by the cutoff date. Issues with my ex and picking my son up from the in-laws mean it's looking like I'll be in Salt Lake City that weekend instead. :(

*sigh* Some day I'll get to race in my new region... You know, the one I LIVE IN... :rolleyes:

[jim.gandy]

It can't be that hard to find an envelope and a stamp.

Here's the entry roster so far...

Sue Stoddard LV 85CS 2008 Mazda Miata
Dale Shoemaker LV 98ESP 1998 Chevrolet Camaro
Bob Barth LV 71ES 1992 Mazda Miata
Yvonne Lee LV 54ESL1997 BMW Z3
Larry Lee LV 7ES 1992 Mazda Miata
Paul Durr LV 56F125 2002 CRG Heron
Scott Knauf R 92FSP 1972 Datsun 510
Bart Freevol LV 88SS 2002 Chevrolet Corvette
Gary Koyama LV 19SS 2008 Chevrolet Corvette
John Tyler LV 84SP 1984 Honda Prelude
Rebecca Rowland LV 0CSPL 1990 Mazda Miata
Rick II Rowland LV 555CSP 1987 Mazda RX-7
RichardRowlandLV55CSP1987MazdaRX-7
Wes Friesen R 38TCSP 1991 Honda Civic
Jerry Olofson R 59TCSP 2004 Chevrolet Cavalier
Allon Adar-Burla LV 2AS 2006 Mitsubishi Evo
Catherine Britton LV 2ASL 2006 Mitsubishi Evo
Eric Waugh LV 34EP 1987 Honda CRX
John Casteneda LV 134EP 1987 Honda CRX
Steven Pham LV 84TGS 2008 Honda Civic Si
Bob Williamson R 7SS 2006 Chevrolet Corvette
Nick Hansen R 26ESP 2005 Subaru Legacy GT
Rasmus Hansen LV 16STX 2004 Subaru Impreza
Andrew Silva R 25HS 2002 Ford Focus

[S2kreno]

Ouch. Doesn't look good when they have to drive that much further than us but we don't have as many racers....

[MattR]

I will not be able to go this year.

[Braydog]

my form & money went out today. :D only novice so far it looks like, amusing

[dknv]

It can't be that hard to find an envelope and a stamp.

I didn't see your name on this list - even though you don't even need an envelope and stamp - ;)

[dsmith]

I'll be there and so will Sheri (sent the app today). If this doesn't improve we might only have two run groups - and get like 10 runs each!

[daveds50]

It can't be that hard to find an envelope and a stamp.



actually, it is... :D

ours is still sitting here due to me not having any time to go get an envelope and stamp. yes, im serious.

i have not wrote a check or mailed a letter in years. everything is online nowdays, and i ship about 2000 packages a year with online postage and pickup.

you Reno guys ever going to get to the 1990's ? :D

anyway... will get it in the mail tomorrow.

also, there are a lot of LV people on that list that should have a "T" before their classes. they are running classes that allow R compounds, but they are running street tires.

unfortunatly, nobody from Reno is letting us know what the rules are. are you allowing your local options ? if so, it would be really nice to let us know that. :confused:

dave

[Kevin M]

The last I heard we won't be applying the T factor to anybody, but as long as the decision is made (and communicated to myself or Nick) before we set up registration on friday, we'll make sure anybody who needs it gets it.

[MikeK]

also, there are a lot of LV people on that list that should have a "T" before their classes. they are running classes that allow R compounds, but they are running street tires.

unfortunatly, nobody from Reno is letting us know what the rules are. are you allowing your local options ? if so, it would be really nice to let us know that. :confused:

Yes, we are running reno region rules. Anyone in Stock, Street prepared, Street Modified or Street Unlimited can put T in front of their class if they are on 140 or higher treadwear tires to receive an extra 0.975 handicap on both the class and pax times.

Here (http://www.renoscca.org/documents/Solo/2008/2008_solo_supps.pdf) is a link to the local supplementary rules.

[daveds50]

Yes, we are running reno region rules.

ok, thanks. i'll pass the word on.

but as long as the decision is made (and communicated to myself or Nick) before we set up registration on friday, we'll make sure anybody who needs it gets it.

well, there is the word.

as far as people from LV that are on that list that are on street tires and should have a "T":

Sue Stoddard LV 85CS 2008 Mazda Miata
Yvonne Lee LV 54ESL1997 BMW Z3
Bart Freevol LV 88SS 2002 Chevrolet Corvette
Rebecca Rowland LV 0CSPL 1990 Mazda Miata
Rick II Rowland LV 555CSP 1987 Mazda RX-7
RichardRowlandLV55CSP1987MazdaRX-7
Steven Pham LV 84TGS 2008 Honda Civic Si

anyway, there will be more as entries come in.

not sure if they will add the "T" or not. seems that some are resistant to anything except national rules. i know that two years ago, nobody knew anything about it though.

dave

[Rasmus Hansen]

So Rasmus are you going to be able hold onto being above me in Pax this year as you were able to last year??? I'm bringing extra chunks of cheese to stash around your trunk to help slow you down ;)
Hold on? That block of cheese is the only thing that kept me on course last year. To improve my times this year I'm bolting a case of chardonnay to the hatch floor in addition to the cheese. Munster this year, the Brie didn't take to well to the heat last year.

[solonut]

Lexi & me will be there, printer died, I'll get it printed and mailed by friday....Lexi in FJA, Me dont know yet....I might be open or a co-drive :)

[jim.gandy]

As far as the "T" factor and other Reno Region quirks -- it's right there on the entry form: "Held under the National SCCA Solo Rules and Reno Region Supplementary Regulations. North-South Challenge scoring by Las Vegas Region SCCA." Reno's supps are available renoscca.org.

Class trophies will be awarded based on Reno's supps, which include the T factor. There is nothing in our supps (or the National rules, for that matter) regarding trophies at regional-level events, so here's what we're doing: Win your class, even if you're the only driver in it, and you get a trophy. We'll also give second and third place trophies, but you'll have to beat somebody to get one of those.

Las Vegas Region will be in charge of the scoring for the N/S Challenge trophy, which I'm assuming will be done like it has in the past: some unfathomable scheme revolving around PAX placings, without the T factor. Reno's scoring guru, Mike Khamis, will have his laptop at peak performance to massage the data however LVR wants it.

[sperry]

As far as the "T" factor and other Reno Region quirks -- it's right there on the entry form: "Held under the National SCCA Solo Rules and Reno Region Supplementary Regulations. North-South Challenge scoring by Las Vegas Region SCCA." Reno's supps are available renoscca.org.

Class trophies will be awarded based on Reno's supps, which include the T factor. There is nothing in our supps (or the National rules, for that matter) regarding trophies at regional-level events, so here's what we're doing: Win your class, even if you're the only driver in it, and you get a trophy. We'll also give second and third place trophies, but you'll have to beat somebody to get one of those.

Las Vegas Region will be in charge of the scoring for the N/S Challenge trophy, which I'm assuming will be done like it has in the past: some unfathomable scheme revolving around PAX placings, without the T factor. Reno's scoring guru, Mike Khamis, will have his laptop at peak performance to massage the data however LVR wants it.
Did I miss a meeting where Reno deferred scoring of the N/S challenge to Las Vegas? (I didn't see anything in the minutes for March and April.) If so, someone should have told Mike Khamis, I believe he's written software to score the event already.

[Dean]

I think the REs/Solo Directors from the regions need to get together and discuss this with both timing & scoring staffs before posting stuff like this... :rolleyes:

[MattR]

This is the first I've heard of this...I thought Mike was going to go solely so timing would be run by Reno and his easy-to-use scoring system.

[AlexR]

Munster? wow, if i take one smell of that i'll certainly go off course. Or DNF in humiliating fashion by going around the triangle in the wrong direction! Oh wait i did that last year ... right.. and with out smelling the munster...

the Boxed wine is a great idea. if its too much ballast you can quickly let some out to adjust. just make sure to match your wine selection with your banquet main course selection. :D

Hey have you Upgraded anything on your car yet? you know that a front sway bar is only around $150 for you car, stock legal , and it improves tire wear :) there's a learning curve, if you go in a lil too hot and understeer you are Forked!! but if you go in slow you can really gas out a lil more aggressively with that swaybar. i have a whiteline 27-29 adjustable, but there's also a strano 32mm hollow bar. Its not too bad of an install either, could even do it in the hotel parking lot with a few wrenches. i think its just a 14 mm, and what ever the sub frame ones are .. (17? 16) plus an allen wrench, if you use vice grips you won't get your end links on very tight and the nuts back off the bolts. i did that last year and had horrible "clunks" coming from them. hey live and learn though.

Hold on? That block of cheese is the only thing that kept me on course last year. To improve my times this year I'm bolting a case of chardonnay to the hatch floor in addition to the cheese. Munster this year, the Brie didn't take to well to the heat last year.

[S2kreno]

Hey have you Upgraded anything on your car yet? you know that a front sway bar is only around $150 for you car, stock legal , and it improves tire wear :) there's a learning curve

Um, where can I buy a learning curve? I think I need one

[solonut]

Um, where can I buy a learning curve? I think I need one

I have one I can sell you........:p.......its a real steep one

[MattR]

Las Vegas Region will be in charge of the scoring for the N/S Challenge trophy, which I'm assuming will be done like it has in the past: some unfathomable scheme revolving around PAX placings, without the T factor. Reno's scoring guru, Mike Khamis, will have his laptop at peak performance to massage the data however LVR wants it.


I think Jim means that LV can decide how they want the scoring to count, not actually run the whole scoring and awarding of points. I hope. Both this board and LVSCCA are very confused over this so hopefully Jim has a chance to come back and explain the intent.

[daveds50]

As far as the "T" factor and other Reno Region quirks -- it's right there on the entry form:

ah ha... you incorrectly assumed that we actually looked at the entry form already... :D

actually, i did print it today and filled it out. even searched for my old checkbook and wrote a check after about a half hour of searching. i even went to the store and bought a 50 pack of envelopes and one stamp. i figure since you guys are in charge every other year, i have enough envelopes to cover the next 98 years of NS Challenges. :D

anyway, it will be in the mail tomorrow.

Both this board and LVSCCA are very confused over this so hopefully Jim has a chance to come back and explain the intent.

first of all... thanks for everyones replies... i think. now im more confused than ever. :confused::D

no big deal. i'll come anyway, and have fun as usual.


just one more question that i just thought of... ( expecting multiple opinions :D ) we are bringing our 5 year old son.

he eats like a bird... in fact, our cats eat more. :mad:

i know he would prefer us take him to McDonalds before the banquet to feed him... i swear, they must put addictive kid drugs in that food, i just dont understand why kids like that stuff so much. :confused: but we can do that instead of making him eat at the banquet.

do you guys want us to pay for an extra banquet ticket if he is going to be with us ? if so, our options are to lock him in the hotel room... or make him wait outside while we eat... :D

really now. we have no problem paying for him, but can we pay at registration instead of forcing me to write another check ?


hey Rasmus... see what im doing ? causing infighting and controversy in the Reno region ahead of time, so that in a couple of weeks, they will be way too distracted to be able to drive. :D

dave

[solonut]

i think. now im more confused than ever. :confused::D

Status normal:p






he eats like a bird... :mad:

ya mean a Condor????? I've seen him hover around a bowl of chips:p



dave


Dave My granddaughter will be there in her FJA kart....

[solonut]

well I just looked at the 10 day forcast.....friday high 92 sat high 84...... Vegas will be in their winter coats because its below 90... give it 5 minutes it will change ;)

[S2kreno]

hey Rasmus... see what im doing ? causing infighting and controversy in the Reno region ahead of time, so that in a couple of weeks, they will be way too distracted to be able to drive. :D

dave

You Vegas people have been watching way too much election coverage:rolleyes:

[MikeK]

Las Vegas Region will be in charge of the scoring for the N/S Challenge trophy, which I'm assuming will be done like it has in the past: some unfathomable scheme revolving around PAX placings, without the T factor.

The hosting region has always done the scoring, why is it different this year? Was this decision made by someone from LV or someone from Reno? Like Scott, I don't remember seeing anything in any of the meeting minutes.

Reno's scoring guru, Mike Khamis, will have his laptop at peak performance to massage the data however LVR wants it.

Wrong. If vegas is going to be massaging data you need to contact whoever it is down there who will be doing the scoring and tell them to bring a USB memory stick to transfer files and their own laptop (or a pencil and calculator), because I am leaving immediately after the event.

[k-dogg39]

I just got back in town, and mailed mine in today! Glad I saw this thread to remind me to get it in by today...

[jim.gandy]

Here's who's signed up as of 5/17/08 3 p.m.

[dknv]

I counted 60 entries, so that's good to know.
Also there will be Cal Craner (right?), and at least a couple of others who made sounds like they are going.

[S2kreno]

might make it sunday but will just roll into town late sat if i do (and if i do it will be because i got my butt whipped in sac so much as i like u guys i hope i will be winning a tennis tournament instead of making other people look good in autocross :)

[dsmith]

Anybody showing up late or registering at the event might go shirtless, I only ordered 80 tee shirts.

[S2kreno]

shirtless but not topless....no convertible this year :)

[solonut]

weather looks good.....
Friday

May 23http://st.msn.com/as/wea3/i/en-us/saw/11.gifPM Rain Hi: 72° Lo: 48°
Slight chance of light rain showers. High 72F and low 48F.
15%Saturday

May 24http://st.msn.com/as/wea3/i/en-us/saw/9.gifSprinkles Hi: 68° Lo: 46°
Slight chance of light rain showers. High 68F and low 46F.
15%Sunday

May 25http://st.msn.com/as/wea3/i/en-us/saw/30.gifCloudy / PM Sun Hi: 71° Lo: 45°
Mostly clear skies. High 71F and low 45F.
10%

[AlexR]

Rain Runs are fun :D

[k-dogg39]

Here's who's signed up as of 5/17/08 3 p.m.

I hope you got mine by now, I mailed it on Friday...:o

[solonut]

Looks like I'll be in TSM.....Thnx Kris !!!!!

[k-dogg39]

Looks like I'll be in TSM.....Thnx Kris !!!!!

Welcome! From that last list it looks like it will be only the two of us.

[solonut]

Welcome! From that last list it looks like it will be only the two of us.

Ok, how will you like 2nd place:p

[k-dogg39]

Ok, how will you like 2nd place:p

I liked it the one time I have gotten it so far this year... :D

You should beat me in a modded evo, :rolleyes:But with it not being your car I am not too worried... Plus you won't have the aerodynamics of your head sticking out of the roof in this car:p

[dsmith]

Here are the winning regions since 1984, taken right off the trophy: 84 R, 85 LV, 86 R, 87 LV, 88 LV, 89 LV, 90 R, 91 LV, 92 R, 93 R, 94 R, 95 R, 96 R, 97 R, 98 LV, 99 R, 00 R, 01 R, 02 R, 03 R, 04 R, 05 R, 06 R, 07 R.

As you can see Reno has won every year but once since 92 - 15 out the last 16 years and the last 9 in a row.

[solonut]

I liked it the one time I have gotten it so far this year... :D

You should beat me in a modded evo, :rolleyes:But with it not being your car I am not too worried... Plus you won't have the aerodynamics of your head sticking out of the roof in this car:p

I have a sawsall I can fix that:D......so when I do a fast run plz remind me not to pump my fist in the air......I might dent Kris's roof;)

[Braydog]

I have a sawsall I can fix that:D......so when I do a fast run plz remind me not to pump my fist in the air......I might dent Kris's roof;)

Me thinks you'll just have to make believe you're a 16 year old kid with your first honda civic. Lay the seat back and crank up the pretty fly for a white guy song.

That will avoid me getting some complimentary body work in hawthorne

[Mark Sipe]

sorry for being last minute, but it looks like I'll be clear from work to attend this weekend

[solonut]

sorry for being last minute, but it looks like I'll be clear from work to attend this weekend

Mark, so now your buying the beer????

glad to hear your coming....Pat

[Mark Sipe]

Mark, so now your buying the beer????

glad to hear your coming....Pat


Suppose that's the least I can do ...

MS

[Jamin]

:cry:

Have fun guys! And D-stock is a candy PAX class, too, I could have really contributed for once.

Maybe she can FedEx overnight my kid home on Tuesday, to arrive Wednesday morning. Then I can go to Hawthorn! :cool:

:(

[Braydog]

:cry:

Have fun guys! And D-stock is a candy PAX class, too, I could have really contributed for once.

Maybe she can FedEx overnight my kid home on Tuesday, to arrive Wednesday morning. Then I can go to Hawthorn! :cool:

:(

Remember to poke air holes in the box....I forgot to do that a few times when I ran my mail order bride service out of my basement. Results arent pretty.

[dknv]

This will be the 7th anniversary of my very first solo event. :)

[S2kreno]

This will be the 7th anniversary of my very first solo event. :)
Awesome! Was your first one at Hawthorne?!

[solonut]

This will be the 7th anniversary of my very first solo event. :)


and what have you learned?? you still hang around us.....:p

[dknv]

Awesome! Was your first one at Hawthorne?!Yes it was. Terrifying and exhilarating.

[dknv]

and what have you learned.....:pBrake, turn, gas. ;)

[solonut]

Yes it was. Terrifying and exhilarating.

and that was just the ride there.....

[dsmith]

Deb, I think the 7th anniversary is either glass, or pizza, or it might be gold - I can never remember. Either way I think you deserve a cold glass of something and a hot pizza!.

[S2kreno]

Deb, I think the 7th anniversary is either glass, or pizza, or it might be gold - I can never remember. Either way I think you deserve a cold glass of something and a hot pizza!.

Hopefully the 7th anniversary stuff is whatever substance trophies are made of.

[MattR]

Man, 7th anniversary at my company is a 10 week paid sabbatical..I'm glad you started in Auto-x Deb, because you're the person who recruited me! and got me started in this deal.

[AlexR]

Wow , 7 years, that rocks. I'm working on year #3 right now :D

[Mark Sipe]

Lift, turn, gas. ;)

fixed, she still won't listen to me .... :D

[Dean]

Keep it floored, Left Foot Brake, turn, repeat. ;)fixed, she still won't listen to me .... :DFixed the fixing. :cool:

[solonut]

Brake, turn, gas,break ;)

I fixed it also

[Mark Sipe]

Fixed the fixing. :cool:

lol, you'll be fixing the bottom of the standings, not to mention rotors and pads, using that technique in an RX-8

[solonut]

here is the forcast .......

Tomorrow

May 23
Details (http://weather.msn.com/hourly.aspx?wealocations=wc:USNV0039&weap=0#day1)
http://st.msn.com/as/wea3/i/en-us/saw/4.gifT-storms Hi: 61° Lo: 45°
Day: Slight chance of thunder with scattered light rain showers. High 61F, humidity 30%. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph.
50%Night: Scattered light rain showers. Low 45F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph.
30%Saturday

May 24http://st.msn.com/as/wea3/i/en-us/saw/4.gifT-storms Hi: 63° Lo: 47°
Chance of thunder with light rain showers. High 63F and low 47F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph.
40%Sunday

May 25http://st.msn.com/as/wea3/i/en-us/saw/4.gifT-storms Hi: 67° Lo: 48°
Chance of thunder with light rain showers. High 67F and low 48F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph.
35%

[nmhansen]

Well, good thing I'm bringing my street tires too :D

[solonut]

Well, good thing I'm bringing my street tires too :D

I'm in a AWD cor on street tires for the weekend.....WEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

thnx Kris!!!!

[Braydog]

I'm in a AWD cor on street tires for the weekend.....WEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

thnx Kris!!!!


It will be a 100hp Naturally Aspirated AWD if I dont get this intercooler coupler fixed :D

[k-dogg39]

It will be a 100hp Naturally Aspirated AWD if I dont get this intercooler coupler fixed :D

Sweet! Just keep it that way for when Pat drives it...:D

[Cody]

Okay, so for the uninitiated, what time and where do we meet on Saturday morning? I'm staying at El Capitan tonight.

[solonut]

Okay, so for the uninitiated, what time and where do we meet on Saturday morning? I'm staying at El Capitan tonight.

I,m goung to be there @ 7 am to walk the course atleast twice....Pat

[solonut]

Sweet! Just keep it that way for when Pat drives it...:D


worried????:p

....just hold it to the floor and steer...

[nmhansen]

Okay, so for the uninitiated, what time and where do we meet on Saturday morning? I'm staying at El Capitan tonight.

Get there early. 7:00am - 7:30am.

Also, if you get into town early enough tonight, we will be having registration at the El Capitan until sometime when it starts to peter out :p

[k-dogg39]

worried????:p

Nope, but I will take all the help I can get! ;)

[Cody]

Are directions posted somewhere? Are rungroups determined yet?

[nmhansen]

Rungroups will likely be determined tomorrow morning.

[Cody]

And I take it if I follow the google map I just printed, I'll see the airport as I enter town? Entrance off the hwy?

[Braydog]

Its fixed hopefully. Took it up on the freeway and did a hard pull in 4th gear and it held....

[Cody]

And I take it if I follow the google map I just printed, I'll see the airport as I enter town? Entrance off the hwy?
Also, is there going to be somewhere for my girlfriend and dog to get out of the rain?

[Braydog]

worried????:p

....just hold it to the floor and UNDERsteer...



There Pat, Fixed it for ya :)

[Cody]

^LOL

Nobody's going to answer me? :(

[nmhansen]

Also, is there going to be somewhere for my girlfriend and dog to get out of the rain?


Yeah, there is a building there. But, if its raining, I expect it to be crowded.

[solonut]

Also, is there going to be somewhere for my girlfriend and dog to get out of the rain?

Bring an umbrella.....that way shw can be your "umbrella girl":p

[Cody]

OMG, Mike K. thanks so much for getting the results up so quickly! Thanks to everyone else too, what an awesome course! I'm gearing up to do some hardcore drinking now! :p

[sperry]

A quick glance at the PAX results seem to indicate Vegas is on top after day 1! What's going on Reno guys!?

[nmhansen]

Actually Reno is ahead by about a tenth right now.

We've just got a stronger midfield.

[dsmith]

Seems we won no matter if the Street Tire handicap was used or not.

All I know is that my shoes may never dry out, it was a ton of work, and I'm very glad no one got hurt, no one went off course badly enough to damage anything, and I think other than the bus we only had one major mechanical over the weekend. So in those regards it was a successful event.

[JimU]

My hats off to you both Jim and Don. The event went well even with all the challenging conditions, out of town, multi regions, poor weather and on and on. Thanks for stepping up and doing a good job.

[Braydog]

My hats off to you both Jim and Don. The event went well even with all the challenging conditions, out of town, multi regions, poor weather and on and on. Thanks for stepping up and doing a good job.


My thoughts exactly. Big thanks to everyone for this.

[solonut]

Yes kudos to both Jim & Don & for Vegas for coming up....Sat course flowed well and Sundays was short but Dave did a good job( he is familiar to small lots)...And thnx to Kris for the co-drive....

[daveds50]

Sundays was short but Dave did a good job( he is familiar to small lots)

glad that most were not dissapointed with sundays course. Cal did a great job too... he is not supposed to tell us what to do, but with carefully worded questions to him, we were able to come up with that course that was easily approved by the safety stewards.

not an optimal course, much shorter than i would have liked, but opposed to not being able to run the event at all, it worked out quite nicely.

amazingly enough, it was fun to drive... better than i expected when we were laying it out.

anyway, i had a really good time, and it was great to see you old timers again, and great to meet you other guys for the first time.

for those of you that diddnt go, here is a view from my car... pardon the lack of power and speed, but an STS car is only so fast... had this been a drag race, i would have been one of the first to go home... :o

saturday long course:
saturday run at NS, STS civic

sunday short course:
sunday run at NS, STS civic

see ya all next year !

dave

[Cody]

^Nice vids! :)

[MattR]

That looks like one of the best long coureses I've ever seen out there. Very open and flowing. Damn.

[Kevin M]

Saturday definitely was good. If I would have stopped trying to go straight through a couple twisty parts I'd have been able to set down a really nice time.

[solonut]

Saturday definitely was good. If I would have stopped trying to go straight through a couple twisty parts I'd have been able to set down a really nice time.

and leave the cones alone:p:p......11 dead cones:eek::eek:

[Mark Sipe]

sorry that I lived up to my usual-of-late 2-faced unreliable reputation and called off attending at an even later last minute, my heart just wasn't into going off for an extended weekend

[Kevin M]

and leave the cones alone:p:p......11 dead cones:eek::eek:

I would have had more if the course wasn't so dang short on sunday! :p

[Braydog]

I would have had more if the course wasn't so dang short on sunday! :p


For once this season I'm not the cone magnet. Thanks a bunch Kevin:o

[dsmith]

sorry that I lived up to my usual-of-late 2-faced unreliable reputation and called off attending at an even later last minute, my heart just wasn't into going off for an extended weekend

Not a problem, Mark. It was a busy weekend for everyone. Could have used you, though, to humble a certain LV Mazda RX 8 that was nasty fast.